Friday, February 22, 2008

Sorry you're bored walker (zzzzzzz.) The GOP is pretty bored when it comes to fixing schools too.

I will respond to the critiques of Barack Obama's education plan.

Before I do so, point by point, I'd like to once again mention the hypocrisy of republicans who scream about BIG SPENDING. There s no bigger big government spending program than a war. This year's wars cost 170 billion dollars. Jim Beam will have to check my math, but there are about 65 million students in the country, from pre-k all the way to college. We could have spent $2615 additional education dollars on each and every one of those students, instead of this stupid war. You can double that money if you count Bush's stupid knee-jerk fiscal stimulus plan.

Walker believes that we spend plenty, and I agree. The problem is HOW we spend it. Barack Obama understands what the right priorities are, whereas most Americans don't. In countries like Switzerland, school funding goes towards basic education and high teacher salaries. In Europe teachers are civil servants, with guaranteed job security, high pay, and high levels of education and skill. In our country we pay for busing, athletics, clubs, school books, supplies, etc. etc. Having gone to school in Germany, I know that all you get for your taxpayer dollars is a basic school, very highly paid teachers, and no after-school activities. The same is true all over the world.

We just have a very different culture, where kids spend a lot of time in school. Since most Americans are in dual-earner households (thanks to the erosion of wages under Bush) that is actually a good thing. Kids learn more in school than home alone while the parents are at work.

"Teacher Retention is a Problem: Thirty percent of new teachers leave within their first five years in the profession. (They are not empowered enough.)"

They leave because it is HARD HARD work, with LOW LOW pay. Most people with strong skills and intelligence move on to more lucrative careers. The few that stay are saints.

"College costs are soaring just like health care costs are soaring becuase the federal government subsidizes everything....there are no incentives to lower costs.... Why should they? The US government will subsidize them."

I agree with this in part. Costs are also rising because students demand a certain kind of college experience, and are willing to go into debt to pay for it. They want rec centers, pretty dorms, and super expensive athletic programs. They want placement services, health care centers, etc. So colleges are all in an arms race to beautify their campuses and provide more student services. They are responding to what students want. I love Barack's plan to provide 4K in college money in return for service. Many European countries have these plans - i.e. Germany. You can choose the draft or civil service. I think it would be money well invested in our country, and do a lot of good by exposing young people to helping those in need.

Barack Obama's Plan

Early Childhood Education

"Voluntary, universal pre-school?? Great!!! Hugely expensive AND utterly inneficient!!!"

You don't have to send your 4 kids (hence the voluntary), but studies have show that among target populations where education is not valued, early education yields big results.

"More science and math is a good thing."

I'm glad you recognize the necessity of this. We are getting killed globally in this area.

"Address the Dropout Crisis: Obama will address the dropout crisis by passing his legislation to provide funding to school districts to invest in intervention strategies in middle school - strategies such as personal academic plans, teaching teams, parent involvement, mentoring, intensive reading and math instruction, and extended learning time. (Zzzzzzz.......)"

I'm sorry you are bored by this. Maybe when one of those drop-outs stops by your house and robs it, you'll stop snoozing.


"Will the spending ever stop??!!! Now we need AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS???????!!!!!! How about OVER NIGHT PROGRAM????"

The after-school programs are about studying and keeping kids out of negative home environments. It works. Check out KIPP and YES schools in houston, which Obama has looked closely at as models for the country.

"Way, way, way too many people go to college. What a farce. It's all dumbed down so bad now....."

It's not that too many people go to college. College is the most important predictor of whether a new someone will escape poverty. The problem is that too many students are unprepared for college when they arrive. Obama is making a serious attempt at addressing that.

Recruit, Prepare, Retain, and Reward America's Teachers

"Recruit Teachers: Obama will create new Teacher Service Scholarships -
(So much money........so little real reform....... Can I kill myself now???)"

It was your solution for recruiting better teacher? What's your big reform? I think Obama's idea is pretty awesome, but I'm sure your's/McCain's is really great too. I'm waiting.

"Reward Teachers: Obama will promote new and innovative ways to increase teacher pay
(Sure. Not a bad idea.)"

I'm glad you agree. He has gotten a lot of grief for promoting merit pay, so don't lump him in with teachers unions and other thoughtless spenders.

"In a nutshell, A HELL OF A LOT OF NEW SPENDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No real reform. None, really."

Nuts. He wants to keep kids in school longer, which has proven to be effective in breaking the cycle of poor kids who are trapped in a culture that doesn't value education. He wants to get college kids to serve the country and do something besides who hooking up and beer bong hits.
He wants to hold education schools and teachers accountable, while paying them more. He has looked closely at charter schools which have effectively reformed how are school are run, and want to duplicate that success throughout the country.

I agree that less spending would be better, but at least his spending is serious, thoughtful spending. If I have to choose between that republican non-action and refusal to raise teacher pay, I'll go with Barack.

6 comments:

Oso Famoso said...

Wow. Where to begin.

Well, you see, Manbearpig...

Just kidding.

The war in a Iraq is expensive and had nothing to do with 9/11. I'll give you that. I'll also agree that this administration is far from traditional republicanism in regards to big spending. This is why I support Ron Paul.

Having said that, your ideas about education, or should I say Obama's ideas are faulty.

1) I haven't seen or heard where Obama has outlined how he would appropriate education spending. If he is going to cut back on silly programs and nonsense and pay teachers more than great. But I'll believe it when I see it.

2) You said "Since most Americans are in dual-earner households (thanks to the erosion of wages under Bush) that is actually a good thing." Are up joking? Do you really think that the two wage earning families are the fault of George W. Bush? If so, why did was this phenomenon already in full swing during the Carter administration?

3) "Teacher Retention is a Problem: Thirty percent of new teachers leave within their first five years in the profession. (They are not empowered enough.)
They leave because it is HARD HARD work, with LOW LOW pay."
I agree completely. Pay teachers more. And I don't mean 10% more. I mean pay them a regular wage for like qualified professionals. But only pay the good ones more. (A lot of blame goes squarely on the shoulders of the so called Teachers Unions in this regard.)

4) You don't have to send your 4 kids (hence the voluntary). Yeah but the increase in my federal income tax won't be voluntary. Trust me. If this happened it would be a glorified day care center much like my wife's former elementary school.

5) I'm sorry you are bored by this. Maybe when one of those drop-outs stops by your house and robs it, you'll stop snoozing. And how exactly is more money into another "program" going to stop Johnny from choosing a life of crime over finishing high school? (Ppst..High School graduates also become criminals. College ones even.) It is a non- sequitur.

6) The after-school programs are about studying and keeping kids out of negative home environments. What? So if their home environments are really that negative why do they send them home at 5:00PM when Mommy comes to pick them up?

7) He wants to get college kids to serve the country and do something besides who hooking up and beer bong hits. This would be the one part of his plan that I like.

8) I agree that less spending would be better, but at least his spending is serious, thoughtful spending. Sorry, but you haven't demonstrated that. You made some claims about how is going to spend money but haven't delivered any quotes or figures.

I went to Obama's website and read about his education plan. It talked a lot about starting new programs. It talked a lot about "improving" things. It didn't address how he planned on refocusing a huge portion of the budget away from crappy things that we spend money on.

I am not a huge John McCain fan but I will most likely vote for him in the general election.

Snapshot of McCain's plan...Instead of pouring more money into failed programs and creating new programs how about giving parents a choice?

He wants to empower parents with school choice. He believes that all federal funding should be predicated on providing parents the ability to move their children, and the dollars associated with them, from failing schools. In short, create a free market of school choice. As with any industry, the failing schools will either go out of business or be forced to improve in order to draw students and money.

Wouldn't it be great to give ALL children, regardless of socio economic status, the choice of going to better schools?

Anonymous said...

To Oso mainly:

So let's imagine the Republican "solution" in action. First, all the schools and my neighborhood go out of business. Then no qualified teachers seem to be available to work in Fifth Ward improve the schools and draw students and money. Then all these low income blacks and latinos show up at the few good HISD schools. (Assuming they can arrange transportation to Bellaire, the Heights or River Oaks.) And they are welcomed with open arms! And everybody lived happily ever after.

More later...

Alison Fairfield

Anonymous said...

McCain apparently has not done much thinking -- much less original thinking -- on the subject of education.

So here is an idea that BOTH Obama and McCain supporters might like:

use the one model of educational excellence run by the US government: military base schools.

A Fairfield

Maker's Mark said...

I am for school choice, but that is a non-starter politically. When republicans force the country to chooses that one solution, or no solutions, we end up with no solutions. Just like abortion - they take a stand, but when the country doesn't go for their magic bullet, they run out of ides for how to lower abortion rates. All they know how to do is bitch about liberals.

Oso famoso - you really think the number of dual income households are the same now as they were in the Carter years? You really think college students and high school dropouts commit the same number of crimes? What planet are you living on?

Oso Famoso said...

You really think college students and high school dropouts commit the same number of crimes? What planet are you living on?


The planet is called reality. According to CNN 60% of prison inmates have a high school education.

you really think the number of dual income households are the same now as they were in the Carter years

I am not saying that it is the same as the Carter era but I'd bet you $100 bucks that it is basically the same as the Clinton era.

Could there be other reasons for dual income families? I don't know...maybe the women's lib movement that criminalized stay-at-home mothers?

Please, give me some hard data on how wages have decreased since George W Bush took office. I am all ears!

Alison. Even the poor kids would have access to good schools. Or the poor schools would be forced to get better. What good is keeping the schools open doing? Look at dropout rates. I can't blame a kid for dropping out of highschool when their high school is a glorified prison/day care center.

Anonymous said...

My point about Fifth Ward was really aimed at the issue of scale (not an argument for keeping bad schools operating.) Just in the Houston area alone, by any rational standard, the entire North Forestschool district should close. And the students go where...?

Where are all these good choices going to suddenly appear from to meet the scale of the problem just in Houston? Even with the Charter school experiment, which has been going on for while, some schools are good but a lot suck.

Still I totally agree with Mark's statement about the problem of having just one solution. Lots of approaches are needed. Including much more incentives for teaching. Speaking of that, Oso is o-so wrong about feminism. The issue is not that stay at home mothering was demonized in the 70's,(and I am old enough to have been there) but that smart well educated women had career choices beyond teaching. (Not work verses home, but which work) If you want to have your eyes opened on the teaching issue, read the article in the current TIME called "How they do it abroad" about teacher training.

The irony here is that I don't think any of us have kids in public school. At least the school my kids go to intentionally and financially reaches out to our fellow parents-in-Christ to create a mixed racial socio-economic school with small, safe classes, good teachers and a strong curriculum. It is not "pretty" and does not have all the bells and whistles but it is doing what a school should do. Educating well and creating children of character. But the folks there are in ministy, which as Christians is one model we can offer.

Alison Fairfield